英語が話せるようになるまでの話


追記:英語習得について議論していた2篇のブログ記事を元にこの文章を書いたのですが、片方が非表示になっているようなのでこちらからも削除しました。

インターネット界隈では,英語の話は盛り上がりますね.上記の話はどちらもわかるなあと思って,面白く拝読しました.私の意見は,2つ目の返答ブログを書いた方の意見に似ていますが(特に「プログラミングという力で優れているのだから,前向きになれば良い」というメッセージ),せっかくなので他にも自分の所感を書きたいと思います.

私は日本の英語教育は,もちろん改善点はあるんでしょうが,まあそれはそれで1つの形で良いんじゃないかと思っている派です.現状のカリキュラムが目的としてることの1つである,英語が読めるようになることにおいて,それなりのレベルの教育を提供しているからです. 1  自分の場合は,中学で orange をオランゲ,tangerine をタンゲリネと覚えると良いよ,という先生から英語を学んでいました.外国人の先生もいましたが,クラスでは当然日本語が飛び交って,「このクラスは悪夢だ!」と言って授業放棄した外国人教員がいたり,often をオフトンと発音するオーストラリア出身の先生を「お布団」と揶揄したり,あまつさえ猥褻な単語の意味を女性の外国人教員に質問に行くような男子中学生がいたりと,しょうもない学習環境だったと記憶しています.高校に入ると,listening か speaking かのクラスを選択することができましたが,能動的に話す speaking はめんどくさいので消去法で listening を選んだ気がします.

自分の性格もありますが,英語で一番好きだったのは文法と品詞分解で,英文の構造をパズルのように考えるのが好きでした.テストで及第点を取ることはできたのですが,「英語」を学んでいるのとは違っていたんだと思います.これは上のブログの著者の方の言葉を借りれば,ニッチな英語スキルを積み重ねていたのでしょう. 2 高校卒業まで,もちろん英語を話したこともなければ,洋楽や海外ラジオが好きみたいなこともなかったので,英語を意図的に聞いたこともありませんでした.海外旅行や短期留学なども経験がありません.「生きた英語」って何だ,というようなレベルでした.

色んな成り行きで,高校を出てアメリカの大学に入ることになったのが自分に取っての転機でした.当然話されてる英語はわかりませんでしたが,辞書を使いながら大学の教科書を読むことはできました.日本の高校英語でシェークスピアが読めるとは思いませんが,理工系の教科書は読めるものです.数式の多い理工系の大学基礎科目は概念理解が出来れば何とかなりましたし,何より日本の高校の教育水準は悪くないので,そもそもの知識もありました.大学では真面目に勉強をして(最初の1年は新しいことを学んだと言うより,知っていた内容を英語でもう一度学び直す感じだったのですが,それが調整期間になって良かったと今では思います),卒業後は大学院に入って博士号を取得し,アメリカで研究職として就職しました. 3 ざっくりしてますが,こと英語を学ぶことに関しては,特に山場も思い出もないところが実際のところです.特筆すべきことはあまりありません.

よく似た話では,英語を使えるようになるまでの「苦労話」を聞かれることがあるのですが,私には話せるような苦労話がありません.常に不便は感じていたのかもしれません。だけどそれを苦労と捉えたこともなければ,それまでの自分の経験に原因があると思ったこともありませんでした.話の成り行き上,苦労したことにした方が角が立たない場合は「subway club というサンドイッチを頼んだら crab (蟹)サンドイッチが出てきたよ」とか「焼き肉で meat lover というセットを頼んだら meat と rubber が出てきた.ゴム肉でした」などの話を適当にでっちあげることにしています.全て作り話です.あえて言うなら「苦労したことないですか」と聞かれて「ないです」と答えると,虚勢を張っていると思われたり,優秀な人は良いですね,みたいな表層的な反応をされることが一番の苦労です(みたいな禅問答ができるでしょうか.) 4 アメリカで外国人が直面するだろう諸々の洗礼を受けながら,4年経ち,8年経ち,気付けばそれなりに英語が使えるようになっていたのだと思います.1つ目のブログの著者の方が悩んでること(言ってることがわからない,飲み会は意味わからない,云々)は一通り体験していますし,いずれ話のネタになります.大上段から講釈を垂れる立場にはいませんが,真面目に自分と向き合い生きることで,時間が解決するに違いありません.なのでそんなことでは腐らず,著者の方のエンジニアとしての成功を心より祈念しています!

方法論などはないと思うのですが,自分が英語についてやったことを無理矢理挙げるのなら 5,1つ能動的にやったと言えることは,わからないことをわからないままにしないことでした.知らない表現に遭遇したら,その場で「スペル,発音,例文」をざっと見る,くらいのことです.その場で絶対に覚えよう,というガリガリした感じではないのですが,何かの役に立っていたのだと思いたいです. 6 大体,4年くらい経ったら英語が聞ける感じになっ て,8年くらい経ったら英語が話せる感じでした.そして今に至ります.最近は,知的な英単語などをあまり知らないことに問題意識を持ったので,Economist やら NYT などを読んで蘊蓄を言えるようになることを目指し,アメリカに来て初めて単語を覚えようと勉強するようになりました.これは13年目くらいからで,今後もまだまだ続くと思います.

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自分の経験だけで冗長になってしまったのですが,少しだけ一般的なことを言いたいと思います.一般的と言っても,自分や周りの日本人を見てての感想でしかないのですが:

  • 日本では普通の受験英語しか学んだことがない人が
  • 6年間の日本の中高の英語教育の後に
  • 英語圏の大学に入って
  • 辞書を使いながら,英語で書かれた大学レベルの教科書が読め
  • 勉強についていけて,大学からは落第しない
  • だから4年くらいで大学を卒業できる
  • 卒業する頃にはそれなりにコミュニケーションもできて
  • 人によっては大学院に入学,卒業して
  • 現地なり,日本なりで仕事を見つけて働いている

自分が仲の良かった友人は,真面目で勤勉な人が多かったと思いますが,上記に該当する人が多かったように思います.私も含めて,何らかの特殊スキルや,子どもの頃の海外経験があったわけでもない日本人です.多くの日本人が,日本の高校までの英語教育を足がかりに,アメリカの大学で学ぶ素地がきちんとできていて,落第せずに滞在資格を失わず,学生をやっている間に勤勉で真面目な生活を送れば,5年くらい経ったら英語を使えるようになっている.これは誇張があるわけでもなく,一般的な日本人が十分達成できる水準です. 7 もちろん不便なこともあるし,腹立たしいこともあるし,人間関係が構築しづらいこともあるけど,そういうのは生きていればどこに住んでいても起こることで,英語と因果関係があるのかはわかりませんので,長い目でみて気楽にやるのが良いのではないかと思います.

まとめますと,日本の英語教育は,目的の1つである「読み」については良い線いってるんじゃないか,と思います.何故そう思うかについて,学部留学した友人を見ると,その日本の受験英語が取っ掛かりになって,一定レベルの英語を使うのに支障がない,立派に仕事をしている大人になっている人は少なくない,という理由を挙げました.あと,もう少し一般的な話で,(中学高校の)6年間程度でで何かができるようになるという前提自体が,森羅万象の物事の深みに思いが及んでいない無理な期待であり,ある意味おこがましい話だとも思います.数学・理科を6年勉強したけど何もできない,って怒る人は聞いたことありませんし,スポーツだって楽器だって,プログラミング言語だって同じなのかと思います.英語も同様で,自分のライフワークとして少しずつ積み上げることが大事ではないでしょうか.

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高校のたった3年間で できることなんか限られとる 全部やろう思てもムリや
そやから豊玉の練習は オフェンス8に ディフェンス2くらいのもんや
そらあ 批判もあるけどな そんでええのや

最後に北野先生の名言を借りました.一度に全てできなくても,少しずつできることが増えていけば,そんでええんじゃないですか.

Notes:

  1. ちなみに「読み書き」ではありません.日本の英語教育が「読み書き偏重」だと思ってる人が,どれくらいの英語を「書ける」のかはよく知りません.
  2. ただニッチと言っても役に立ってると思います.私の今の英語力は全てこれらの土台の上にあるのは明白ですし.
  3. 余談ですが,日本の会社勤めの人はポスドクは就職と認めてくれないようですが,1つのポジションの競争率が50倍を超えることもあるような確固とした「就職」です.以前,給料を貰っているのか聞かれたことがありますが,非常に失礼な質問であることを自覚して欲しいものです.まあこれは完全に余談です.笑
  4. 理屈っぽいウザいことを言うと,苦労の定義は人によって違うので,人の苦労話を聞いても自分に関係ない可能性があります.例えば「オタクっぽい男性に電子回路の話を2時間ぶっ通しで話された」を苦労や苦行と感じる人がいるのは想像に難くないですが,私は楽しく聞ける可能性があるのです.「苦労」は主観的なものだ,という好例です.
  5. なんて書きながら,小学校の時の塾の友達との一件を思い出しました.友人が「お前はどうやって勉強してるんだ」としつこく聞いてきて「特別なことは何もやってない」というのを絶対に信じてくれない,ということがあったのです.最終的には,家に招いて一緒に勉強することになった,という何だか色々と懐かしい事件でした.この友人は嫌いではなかったんですが,当時からコツコツとした積み重ねをする前に方法論にこだわる姿勢(何か上手いやり方があるんじゃないか,みたいな)に対して,違和感がありました.
  6. ちなみに,私は同様のことを日本語の知らない表現に対しても行うので,これは一般的な自分の習慣なのだろうと思います.少し前に学んだお気に入りの日本語は「諧謔を弄する」です.意味わかりますか?
  7. もちろん,お金について,親の理解についてなど,色んな他の要素ももちろんあるでしょう.また,生活がだらけてしまい,学習どころではない日本人留学生も存在します.それはどこに住んでいても同じです.

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  2. The Seattle Kraken know the situation they're in. They trail the Dallas Stars three games to two in their best-of-seven Western Conference semifinal series, with Game 6 Saturday in Seattle. "It's do-or-die next game," Kraken forward Jordan Eberle said.
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    They hope to advance again on the road Saturday and avoid a Game 7. "Now it's on us to go there and end this on the road, which we did in the (first-round) Minnesota series," DeBoer said. "Hopefully we have the same result." --Field Level Media

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  4. The defending champions are on the ropes, and the best team in the NHL has another chance to move on to the second round of the playoffs. All four resuming Friday night feature a Game 6 with potential elimination. The most surprising team on the brink is Colorado, with the series going back to Seattle. There are a pair of second chances in the East, with top-seeded Boston trying to put away Florida and Carolina looking to advance past the New York Islanders.
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    "But I think we?re at a point now where action is much louder than words." It's time for action from the Bruins, too, after they missed their first chance to move past the Panthers, with punctuated by uncharacteristic mistakes.
    As captain Patrice Bergeron said afterward, he and his teammates can't give an opportunistic opponent "freebies" as they did in Game 5 at home. Seattle Kraken defenseman Carson Soucy, left, celebrates with center Yanni Gourde, who scored against the Colorado Avalanche during the third period of Game 5 of an NHL hockey first-round playoff series Wednesday, April 26, 2023, in Denver.

    (AP Photo/David Zalubowski) Game 6 is on the road at Florida, and the Bruins still have the series lead looking to be the 10th Presidents' Trophy winners in the past 11 years to win at least one series. "I?m sure we?re going to come back with a real good, determined effort," Boston coach Jim Montgomery said.

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    EDT, TBS) The Hurricanes lost despite outshooting the Islanders 36-22 and dictating for long stretches. Two Islanders goals came off Carolina turnovers, and the for another. Otherwise, it might've been the team's best 5-on-5 game of the series. "You feel like you played good enough to win, but the bounces didn?t quite go our way," Hurricanes forward Seth Jarvis said.

    "But for us, even watching video you could tell, we played the way we want to play." after being knocked out of Game 4 on a hard hit into the boards, according to coach Rod Brind'Amour, who didn't rule out the possibility of going with Frederik Andersen in net after Antti Raanta started the first five games. There are no questions about Ilya Sorokin being back in net for the Islanders after he made 34 saves to help New York win its first elimination game.

    Now comes another, this one with home-ice advantage and the chance to push the series to a Game 7 in Raleigh. BRUINS at PANTHERS, Boston leads 3-2 (7:30 p.m., TNT) The word that Florida coach Paul Maurice keeps using is freedom. Yes, there?s an obvious pressure when facing elimination - which the Panthers were in Game 5 in Boston before winning 4-3 - but there's also much less from the outside going against the team that had the best regular season in NHL history. "These are hard games for these guys to play," Maurice said.

    "You just have to mentally process one, and fight, and that brings that freedom. That?s the exact word I used before that game. You want to play with a freedom." Sergei Bobrovsky looked like his best self, and a stop on a breakaway in the final second of regulation got Florida to overtime - on a night the Bruins outshot the NHL?s most-prolific shooting team in the regular season 47-25. "The veteran players and also your highest-paid players, these are the games where the pressure has to be on their shoulders, and they have to rise to the occasion," Maurice said.

    "And he did. Everything that we could have hoped for from Sergei, he delivered." The Panthers have not won two elimination games in the same series, or the same playoffs, since 1996. They may or may not have Ryan Lomberg for their latest attempt, with Maurice calling the forward a game-time decision. STARS at WILD, Dallas leads 3-2 (9:30 p.m., TBS) Joe Pavelski could return for the Stars in their first chance to advance after missing the past four games in concussion protocol from a hit from Minnesota's Matt Dumba in the series opener. Coach Peter DeBoer said Pavelski, at 38 the second-oldest player in the playoffs and a key leader for Dallas, was traveling to the Twin Cities after just about a full practice. The Stars have survived so far without Pavelski, thanks to the production of center with 11 points, and goaltender Jake Oettinger, who stopped all 27 shots he faced Tuesday in Game 5 for the first shutout of this postseason. Another win would vault the Stars into the second round and a matchup against either Colorado or Seattle. "We have a great opportunity ahead of us," said Oettinger, who has a .925 save percentage so far.

    "This is exactly where we want to be." AVALANCHE AT KRAKEN, Seattle leads 3-2 (10 p.m., TNT) The Kraken are trying to treat the moment just as if it's any other situation. But players and coach Dave Hakstol know the gravity of the situation. "We know what?s on the line, believe me," Hakstol said.
    "We want to go home and play well and get the job done at home." The Kraken have put Nathan MacKinnon and the high-flying Avalanche on their heels by scoring first in all five games. The Avalanche would like to reverse that trend and send the series back to Denver for a Game 7 Sunday. "We?ve got to have some desperation ... and just find a way," forward Mikko Rantanen said. ___ AP Sports Writers Pat Graham, Tim Reynolds, Aaron Beard, Jimmy Golen, Stephen Hawkins and Dave Campbell contributed. ___ AP NHL playoffs:
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